Benutzer Diskussion:Namooru

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Autonomy: I believe you, but a document in support is still missing

Dear Namooru,

hope you are doing well. I have gone through the newspaper articles you cited, and did not find any mention that Tamil Nadu already HAS autonomy. The articles only write that they are campaigning for it. I don't reject you, but I need a proof that says that Tamil Nadu HAS autonomy NOW, „now“ being today, 21 July 2021. I am asking for this because German Wikipedia is stricter than English Wikipedia and demands academic citation. You have sent me links to documents of the Tamil Nadu Government, but you did not tell me which one. In which of them is it please? Or isn't there a book that says that Tamil Nadu has autonomy, and could you please tell me the page?

The campaign for the ancient Tamil language against Hindi is something else. A symbol for autonomy, yes. But autonomy itself is a law that lets Tamil Nadu decide its own affairs, usually except defence. Does such a law exist? Do you have a book, any book, where this is written? Classical examples of autonomous states within a country are South Tyrol in Italy and Greenland in Denmark. Could you compare the situation in Tamil Nadu to that? It this written somewhere? If yes, where?

I don't speak Tamil, but we have people here who do. Should I ask them? (Though I know that nam’ ooru means “my homeland”.) To introduce myself, I am almost 52 years old, a scholar of the Mughal Empire, fluent in Persian and Urdu, and able to write a letter to Aurangzeb, telling him to sort off from Gingee, with all the required courtesies of the time. I once also learnt Arabic, and Kannada, but that was long ago.

So please, just tell me a page in a book, saying “Tamil Nadu has autonomy”. Thanks a ton, --Curryfranke (Diskussion) 16:51, 21. Jul. 2021 (CEST)

Dear Namooru,

that Tamil Nadu is a federal state of India has been part of the article head since the very first version of 2003:

„Tamil Nadu … ist ein Bundesstaat Indiens.“

As you don’t speak German, Google Translator must have mistranslated Bundesstaat, which means “federal state”.

But there is a difference between a federal state and an autonomous federal state. Bihar, for example, is a federal state of India, but is not autonomous (= self-ruled) because the Government of India can pass laws that cancel Bihar laws. Can Tamil Nadu pass bills that Bihar cannot pass? Or, Germany consists of 16 federal states. They pass their own laws. But none of them is autonomous because federal laws again beat state laws. For example, in both India and Germany, federal laws for the police must be applied by the state polices. The USA, on the other hand, has more autonomy in their 50 states because Washington cannot make laws for the states. In the USA, the federal government cannot pass police laws for the states.

A typical case for an autonomous federal state is the Italian region of South Tyrol. This is not because they speak not Italian but German. It is because the panchayats etc. are appointed and paid by the region, not by the Italian state, and because 90 % of the taxes stay in the state. I suppose this is what Tamil Nadu wants.

I would enjoy Tamil Nadu being more autonomous and I think M.K. Stalin is doing a great job. But we are in German Wikipedia, where my joy does not count. What counts here in German Wikipedia is the fact: Does Delhi have the right to pass laws that beat Tamil Nadu laws? If yes, Tamil Nadu doesn't have autonomy. If not, Tamil Nadu has autonomy, and we can write it into the article. The three newspaper articles that you posted say that Tamil Nadu passes laws, but not that Delhi cannot make laws against these laws. The German state of Bavaria also passes laws but it is not autonomous because the German government can make a law that cancels the state law. The wiki en:Autonomous administrative divisions of India does not call Tamil Nadu autonomous.

So, unfortunately, we still need to prove that Tamil Nadu is not just a federal state but an autonomous federal state because Delhi cannot overrule its laws. I'm sorry for now, but we will keep searching. Best wishes, --Curryfranke (Diskussion) 16:19, 29. Jul. 2021 (CEST)

Sir, I appreciate your knowledge you endowed with.

At this moment I wanna recall you that once Union government banned Tamil Nadu native sports game called Jallikattu through the order of Supreme court citing Animal cruelty and it doesnt felt reasonable by Tamil people since its been played since early Sangam Tamil period around 600 BCE and Jallikattu represents the Tamil Nadu and Tamils culture. Which results in the mass people protest across the the Tamil Nadu and Later Tamil Nadu government passed its own bill and made this sports playable again even though the game was banned by the Union government at Delhi.

What do you say about this. Isn´t this a Autonomy.?

Indian union is bit complex to explain since No one can exactly infer every functions as it is.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/Tamil-Nadu-Assembly-passes-jallikattu-Bill/article17082429.ece https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-38660377

--Namooru (Diskussion) 00:04, 30. Jul. 2021 (CEST)

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